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Village to Test Permeable Pavers on Grove Street

In addition to street reconstruction, village staff and council members also discussed changes to the village's fire code and entertained a special use permit request from Hertz Car Rental.

 

Permeable pavers are coming to Grove Street from Main to Carpenter. The village council voted Tuesday night to spend $970,000 on a reconstruction project that will help deal with stormwater runoff and replicate the brick paving the street once had. 

“Staff is very proud of this project,” Director of Public Works Nan Newlon said. Traditional pavement is virtually impervious (water can’t permeate it) and it can increase flooding while polluting streams and rivers, she said. Permeable pavers reduce water run-off because the water seeps between the paver gaps.

While the initial cost of permeable pavers is more expensive than traditional methods of road construction, overall it has a good life cycle cost, Newlon said.

Commissioner Sean Durkin asked if permeable pavers were the wave of the future. Newlon said the village wanted to do this as a demonstration project.

Five bids were received for the project and the staff recommendation was to award the contract to V3 Construction, which was the lowest bidder with a complete submittal but wasn’t the lowest bidder overall.

Two representatives from Swallow Construction, a Downers Grove business, came before the council and requested that the village reconsider V3 and instead award the bid to them. They said an office employee of theirs had made a mistake with the paperwork and that’s why the village didn’t receive all the information they required in the bidding process. 

Mayor Martin Tully said the village owed it to the process and the other bidder to award the project to V3, but thanked the representatives for coming and said he looked forward to working with Swallow in the future, noting that, when possible, the village likes to stay local.

The matter passed unanimously.

On the short first read agenda were a few items related to the fire department—one resolution to establish a database for filing reports and an ordinance to amend the village’s fire code, which is currently stricter than the International Fire Code and the International Building Code as it relates to fire alarm systems in commercial buildings.

Also on the first read agenda, Hertz Rental Car, located on Ogden Avenue, is requesting a special use permit to relocate their business to the shopping center at Ogden and Drendel.

Related Topics: Board Meeting, Council Meeting, Fire Code, Hertz Car Rental, Meeting, Permeable Pavers, Swallow Construction, V3 Construction, and Village Council

Susan Carroll

6:54 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

That's almost a million dollars for a very small stretch of street. I like preserving the historical look and I know stormwater runoff is a concern, but of all the things we CAN'T have and CAN'T afford, THIS is a MUST? Am I missing something?

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Bob LeMay

9:25 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Well, if the street needed to be reconstructed anyway, the better question is "What is the difference between "normal" reconstruction (without the permeable pavers, using asphalt or concrete) and the "permeable paver" reconstruction?" Then we can decide whether the difference is worthwhile, taking into account the longer life of the pavers and the reduced stormwater runoff.

Living on Oakwood and having a brick driveway, I can tell you that the water runoff is significantly reduced.

Kent Frederick

7:45 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

How well do pavers hold up to snow plowing. With the freeze-thaw cycle, is there any chance the pavers will shift and then become damage by a snow plow that's traveling at 20 mph or 30 mph?

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Bob LeMay

9:27 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Living on Oakwood--which is brick and was redone about 5 years ago--I recall hearing at the time that the plow drivers are trained to plow the brick streets correctly, to reduce the likelihood of damage to the street (and the plow!). It is true that the pavers will suffer chips over time, but that doesn't significantly affect the road.

John Schofield

9:14 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Just wondering... what are they going to do with the original historic bricks that are probably under the existing asphalt pavement? It would be a big environmental win if they could be re-used in some construction project in the Village.

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Bob LeMay

9:29 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

I know that when they reconstructed Oakwood (which was still brick), they re-used as many of the pavers as possible. Since it sounds like they are reconstructing Grove (which would mean taking it down to dirt), I would hope that they would recover and reuse as much of the existing (buried) pavers as possible.

Dan F.

9:27 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

A million bucks for a thousand feet of street? When did smoking crack become mandatory?

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Ray

9:43 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

That would be the Crack Ordinance of 2007, which passed with a slim majority.

I wish we could hear from someone on, oh, maybe Oakwood, who would be familiar with brick paving. :)

How urgent is this - I haven't driven there recently, is Grove St in bad disrepair -w/cracks/potholes? I'm sure it will be nice, but that is pretty damn costly.

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UoCDoc

7:04 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

Hey Barry, er, uh, I mean Dan F. I think crack smoking is only mandatory in the Forest Preserves…

Jim Finucane

1:48 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

It's too bad Powell street doesen't have historic pavers, if it did maybe we could get our potholes reapired.

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Sarah Marchmont

7:13 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Regarding the lowest bidder:
Swallow Construction's bid came in at $960,596.75.
V3 Construction's was $970,000.00.
According to village officials, Swallow's bid information was not complete; V3 was the lowest bidder with a "complete submittal."

Regarding the question of salvaging the bricks underneath: "the bricks have been overlayed with asphalt and are not salvageable," according to the village council report.

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Bob Barnett

11:03 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Good evening all … sorry in advance for the length of the post(s).

The Grove Street project deserves more detail than has been reported thus far. It’s scope and design elements are in response to Community Input and direction to not only build and maintain exceptional municipal services but be good stewards of our the environment and our natural resources as well. While they often do not change, we discuss and affirm (or adjust) these goals regularly.

Specific to Grove Street, the cost includes traffic calming, water main replacement, storm water quality improvement, storm water runoff volume reduction and lower overall lifecycle costs. The breakdown is approximately as follows:

$991,445 Budgeted Amount

$969,998 Actual Total Bid Amount

$581,523 Paving
$130,722 Stormwater
$257,753 Water Main

The traffic calming (roadway/curb design) is included in the paving since we’re doing total reconstruction as opposed to resurfacing.

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Bob Barnett

11:04 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

… continued

We have many (Grove is but one) Streets in the VoDG that have been neglected for the better part of 2 decades and indeed are far beyond resurfacing. For reference, the cost of asphalt roadway reconstruction at Knottingham was approximately $105/Square Yard, and Valley View was approximately $111/Square Yard. The cost of the Grove Street reconstruction is approximately $155/Square Yard. However, the Knottingham and Valley View projects are much larger in scope and likely received some cost savings due to economy of scale.

Assuming a 50 year life expectancy for the pavers, the total 50 year cost for the life of the pavers would be approximately $194/Square Yard. The total 50 year cost for an asphalt pavement section would be approximately $368/Square Yard. These costs assume a 3% escalation per year in construction pricing.

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Bob Barnett

11:05 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

… continued

With respect to the bids and the process, in addition to cost, we try to evaluate who we believe is most able/likely to successfully complete the project to the satisfaction of our residents and staff. It was our conclusion from the information submitted by bidders, previous work experience within the Village, contractor report cards and reference checks, that V3 had the most complete, successful past experience with projects of similar scope and detail – in addition to being below the budgeted amount.

We’re proud of this project as we believe we’re actually spending less over the lifecycle of the paving and accomplishing more than we would standard paving. I remain hopeful that as we evolve the standards by which we do road construction – from process scope to design details – from cost to environmental concerns – we’ll continue to provide higher value for lower cost with more complete solutions, no crack involved ;-)

Bob Barnett

More here: http://www.downers.us/public/docs/agendas/2012/07-10-12/BID00-04953_GROVESTREET.pdf

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Linda Schranz

11:42 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

Thanks Bob for a very thorough explanation.

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Susan Carroll

12:38 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012

Thanks for answering, Mr. Barnett. I guess fixing roads is expensive no matter what method you use. I just like to see more fun and excitement for my million dollars. I would also like to be going to Paris instead of the Wisconsin Dells for vacation this year, so I am used to disappointments.

Ray

6:49 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

I appreciate that a Village Board member would provide a detailed, informative answer. I guess when you compare it with the Illinois norm - covering with asphalt of cheap/questionable quality, watching cracks form within two years, and rewarding someone with a new contract when the road is all crumbled within five yrs - it seems worth a try.

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Doug Grier

12:36 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012

I wish our Elm Street project was this well thought out.

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Dawn Tuskey

7:52 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

I agree with the math showing the end cycle savings. I think the formula is incomplete though. The Village claims to be supportive of D.G. businesses but fails to be flexible in allowing a local business to resubmit. Is there an economic cost to DG in job losses, or equally bad, loss of job opportunity to DG residents, etc. You get the picture. How about the fact a local business rarely is successful in breaking through the glass wall of preference for non-local companies

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Dawn Tuskey

8:02 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Oops - serves me right working from my phone - hit submit by accident :)

My point is that it makes sense from a cost, environmental and stormwater management solution objective. But what is the cost from a benefit to the local economy because of not giving a Downers Grove business (one that probably is owned and/or staffed by DG residents)? Did the Council save a good deal of money with the right hand only to toss it away with the left? Just asking.

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Dawn Tuskey

8:06 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

It isn't a good reflection though on any company when the Leaders blame an error on anyone but themselves. Just bad decorum that may not be the rules of engagement any longer. Which means I have now disclosed my age ;)

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